Mike Kanarek: “If It Would Only Be About Technique, The One Who Knows The Most Techniques Would Always Win “
- April 4th, 2010
- Posted in HaganaH NUCLEUS
- By Mike Lee Kanarek
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” If it would only be about technique, the one who knows the most techniques
would always win ”
This saturday at the National Headquarters in Davie Florida during the FIGHT
class a topic came up. As we were navigating ourself through the multiple
attacker drill one of the students said to HaganaH Black Belt that was
teaching the class , Chris Kisslan, “what if he does that while I do that ?
”
Let me start by saying that out of all my Black Belts Kisslan is probably
the most “Clean” about his FIGHT/HaganaH techniques among all my Black Belts
ever. While other Black Belts use aggression as one of their main attribute
while executing the FIGHT techniques in our curriculum Kisslan has been
consumed with being perfect in his techniques since day one of him walking
in my school, he is Very detailed and precise in his techniques.
My answer to the students consisted of two parts:
With the first part making me think of an interaction both my partner Randy
Proto and myself had earlier this week with a Navy Seal Operator. In that
interaction the subject of the guys that always say in training ” Well, that
won’t work because I am going to this and this…” all of us agreed that the
only reason why those guys would think to do this or this is because they
were just presented with the technique and have the information of what is
about to happen. In real life that would not be the case…so in most cases
the “I would do this” syndrome is based on Knowing what is about to happen!
The second part consists of the concept of “Counters” , as soon as the
attacker counters your self-defense technique that would indicate that he is
educated and able to react to your initial self-defense technique. From this
point on, you are No longer in a self-defense scenario so to speak, you are
in a Fight! And now you will have to deploy, unpredictably a counter-attack
to his counter…and knowledge of techniques will no longer be the Only
factor in this stage of the engagement. The deeper and longer the engagement
takes…attributes will become the factor deciding who wins, or loses the
encounter between the defender and the attacker.
I always tell my student : a self-defense technique should take no longer
than 10 seconds from start to finish, including the post scenario securing.
It has to be explosive, viscous and decisive!!! If it take more than 11
seconds its bad, and that self-defense technique switches to an all out
fight where many factors will determine the outcome. The more factors
involved the “Better” defender has to be of a fighter. In other words the
longer it takes the more attribute one must posses to be the last one
standing.
So, Yes you need to know the techniques but you need to develop attributes
as well for the times when the attacker will overcome your initial
self-defense technique!
It was a great class….
Sir, your wisdom and expertise are priceless. Although I have never had to deploy any of these techniques in a battle or engagement, what you teach us physically and mentally make sense. I believe they may very well save my life should it come to that. Kisslan is a joy to work with for his professionalism, abliites, real world knowledge. I always learn and improve when working with him.
A set of skills are great to have, but to me knowing how and when to apply them can make all the difference. I am grateful for the training you share with us. Thank you sir!
Right on SIR! Chris is awesome and a great guy to train with!
One of the the things that first attracted me to HaganaH, and remains, is the muscle-memory decisiveness of our entry techniques. Being ruthless (not meaning nesssarily cruel) is key, the ability to do what you need to do when you need to do it without hesitation (for any reason). In the split-second reaction of an attack recognition is the crucial window where our muscle memory kicks-in, after that… it’s WILL over SKILL , who wants to dominate the most and who is not willing to accept defeat under any terms… IMHO;)
BTW; great post!!! The ‘what if’s’ and ‘But, I’d do this’ are very common in training sesions and classes everywhere… your students @ HQ are fortunate to have an a seasoned/expert instructor and many senior/experienced guys to train with!!!
Sir, How ironic that this post should go up now. I have been thinking about various scenarios that can occur on the street. How an engagement really starts, what can happen during the engagement and how long it would take to end it. I even went to the extent of finding real street fights on you tube to observe and study. I realized that you rarely “square off” with an attacker and ussually and attack will happen quickly and in a haphazzard manner. I definately see that the best situation is as you stated, finish it in 10 seconds (or less). I had estimated it would be no longer than 30 seconds before I would be in trouble (probably less time than that). I have come to realize that as you have taught us, the basics, the attributes, must be strong for technique to be of maximum benefit. I also find that, at least from my point of view, one of the most important attributes to have is endurance. It seems to me that if you have endurance and can outlast your opponents energy level, you have a much better chance at surviving. Every aspect of training is vital. Technique, muscle-memory, training to be smooth…but you need the endurance as well. My humble opinion.
John…
Yes endurance is Very important. But, not only cardio/physical endurance, I am talking about the type of endurance that involves getting hit, Mental Endurance!
At our Black Belt testings there is a 3rd and 4th men hitting drill. The person testing is tasked with a impact drill on a person holding a pad for him/her. While he/she hits the pad the 3rd and 4th person are hitting him. To most people that drill seems simply cruel , but it has a very specific objective. It is to test the commitment of the person being tested into his/her objective at hand without de-compossing while getting hit from angles he/she cant see coming.
In most cases this type of impact will only be experienced for the first time when they are “Jumped” in the street by multiple attackers…therefor, falling total victim to it! Since their body and mind never experienced this before in training , neither their mind or body have built the nesessary endurance to deal with this kind of violence…
after experiencing this in a “Lab” inviroment in training, the body and mind will be desensitized to it and if met with ultimate physical endurance the chances of surviving such a violent attack are much Greater!!!
Stu…
“Will over Skill” …I like that.
One of my first quotes is ” Perfect Intentions Will Beat Perfect Technique ” one of my best friends in the Martial Arts Industry , John Maynard, one of Joe Lewis long time Black Belts has this quote on the wall of his school in NC.
see you this weekend Sir, for a BadASS weekend of training!
Dr Joe
“A set of skills are great to have, but to me knowing how and when to apply them can make all the difference”
Well said!!!!
@Stu Bryant
I have the privilege of studying HaganaH with Stu Bryant, and although I’m new to this system I do have some previous –unsought, undesired — experience with defending one’s self against violence.
HaganaH, for the reasons Stu Byrant emphasizes, has a lot going for it. The techniques can be executed under stress — many of them even if the person has already been struck, injured, dazed, etc. This because the movements are not only trained into muscle memory. But also because the movements are basic (gross motor coordination) and generally work with — not against — one’s instinctive reactions.
Exceptions to every rule, but most people will discover that in a violent encounter, skills that require fine motor coordination degrade very quickly. Likewise, one’s sense of time — and timing — goes out the window. Everything happens too fast/ simultaneously, too slow, or seems to happen somewhere else. All that finesse stuff — forget about it.
What can help you succeed when the tunnel vision starts kicking in? Or even when you start to see through a reddish haze? A few simple and strong moves you can execute without thinking about — without having to plan or choose. And that desire — the WILL — to get out of the situation.
I personally don’t know if HaganaH or any self-defense system can teach that will to survive — to prevail. But I think that a lot of people do have it –even if it’s been dormant, sleeping. & HaganaH can give them the tools to use it, amplify it.
I’m confident that my HaganaH training at Stu’s center in West Chester, PA, will be helpful if, when and should crunch time ever come again. I thank him, his student instructors, and my fellow students for a great training environment.
& I thank MLK for this sensible, pragmatic system. One deliberately missing the nonsense, the mysticism, the tea ceremony, the silly hierarchies, and the “beautiful butterfly” dancing found in too many martial arts that also bill themselves as practical self-defense.
My HaganaH instructors at West Chester, from Stu Byrant on down have been very clear at what HaganaH does and does not do. It doesn’t pretend to have 3000 techniques and all the answers. It’s not an LEO restraint and control style (which is valuable, but not the goal of Combatives). It’s been a no-BS experience with some great people, and may the community always stay that way.
TJH
you are in Great hands at Stu’s !
enjoy your journey into learning our system and having a blast while learning and being around great people. I visit Stu’s school every year, and every year I am there I leave with a huge smile on my face knowing HaganaH is well represented at Stu’s
good luck in your training